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Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 01:06 PM
There's a Fox News interview in florida posted here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1301527875001/

The interview is conducted by Brett Baier. The setting is a warehouse.

It's interesting, because it highlights everything that has plagues Romney's failed campaign. Romney has complained that the interview was "Overly aggressive"

In order of importance:

The first problem with Mitt, His governorship:

Contrary to popular belief, Mitt's signature political accomplishment wasn't Romney-care... It was getting elected in the first place. Not because of the nature of Mass as a Blue state (Which they most definitely ARE, but, for whatever reason, don't seem to mind electing Republicans as Governor? :dunno:) So, that wasn't it.. The accomplishment here was pure politics: The Party, terrified of the disastrous Jane Swift's impending loss, anointed Mitt as the heir apparent. Permitting him to run unopposed in a Republican "primary" Swift stepped out of the way, as the Party dictated, and Mitt stepped neatly into her place. In so doing, the Northeast, Republican establishment secured their nominee.

BTW, his second signature, political accomplishment wasn't Romney-care either.. It was working with the Democrat dominated State Legislature. His "fuck the little guy" approach proved popular there, and he became known for raising fees and imposing other indirect forms of taxation. He did close a budget gap, but nobody really cares. Around 04-05' he began to be seriously spoken about as a Presidential contender and eventually launched a bid for President. It's this period when anything even remotely resembling Conservatism showed in Romney. It was a politically safe thing to do, as the legislature simply over-rode his vetos. This gave him a platform, but without any accompanying, substantive Conservative accomplishments.

His THIRD defining, political accomplishment was Romney-care.

So, there you have it.. The biggest problem with Mitt: He's a certified, Republican insider, with no Conservative credentials worth mentioning.

At one point in the interview, Baier says to Romney: "..critics charge that you make decisions based on political expediency and not core conviction. You have been on the both sides of some issues, and there’s videotape of you going back years, speaking about different issues, climate change, abortion, immigration, gay rights. How can they trust what they hear from you?"

He's exactly right.. and Newt has the same problem. Only with Newt, there's an easy answer.. He has a very impressive, conservative track record to point to. Including highlights like the first balanced budget since, like, 1920.. He was responsible for the House takeover... after 40 YEARS of Democrat rule. Welfare reform. The largest cap gains tax cut in American history. Even the government shutdown. What's Romney got? Nothing..

The second problem with Mitt: His delivery.

He's a fantastic failure as a speaker.. The guy is polished. He doesn't make the sale, though. He comes across like he's merely accessing his memory banks and feeding out the data stored therein. Sifting through tens of thousands of files filled with pre-prepared talking points.. Replete with instructions like "smile here" and "point finger" When his robo-brain returns a "File not found" error, as it did when Baier asked him specifically what was to become of the 11 million illegals here, he stammers briefly and a sub-routine takes over. Seamlessly ignoring the question and accessing a similar file on immigration policy.

The other problem with his delivery is a bit like like porn.. It's easy to recognize, but difficult to describe... I was thinking about it when Mrs. Hoffa found the answer. It's his tone and the way he speaks.. Like he's addressing a child, or trying to calm an angry dog. There's no inflection. Srsly, can you imagine a rousing speech by Mitt? A real, Reagan style barn buster? Fat chance.. This guy can't do it. It was further suggested that he has the tone of a man who has recorded himself often, played back those recordings and practiced sounding "reasonable" and "moderate" to such a point that he has trained all the passion out of the delivery.. I think this is very likely the case. Regardless, he's a shit speaker despite his eloquence and polish.

3rd, richie-rich, establishment pals.. The same guys who helped hand him the governorship. For example, his campaign isn't taking off, so he set up a photo-op with GHWB and Barbara Bush. This sort of thing does NOT inspire confidence among the base. It looks great to his establishment pals, though. The exact opposite thing we want and need.. More connected, establishment types. Especially from the northeast.

Things like this matter.. They're subliminal, but they're important.

4th, his dark eyes.. They're like large, black dots on his eyeballs. It's difficult to see anything in them at all when he is speaking. He needs passion and a connection, but they betray him here.

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 01:25 PM
I just don't see how he could win. I really don't.

Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 01:29 PM
I just don't see how he could win. I really don't.

Not with himself hanging around his neck like a millstone..

Still, Obama sucks and mitt won't scare voters off so much as de-energize them.

So, maybe he could beat him.

bigac
12-03-2011, 01:34 PM
I just don't see how he could win. I really don't.

Agreed. He inspires no confidence in the people that should be his base. He rouses no passions. He might get the "hold the nose" vote, but nobody actually believes in him and is willing to defend anything he does (except for some fucking idiot that came and went a few months back who claimed to have joined his campaign). That is not the recipe for a winning campaign. It's better to have something to vote for than to vote against.

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 01:36 PM
Not with himself hanging around his neck like a millstone..

Still, Obama sucks and mitt won't scare voters off so much as de-energize them.

So, maybe he could beat him.

Oh, I think he could beat Obama.

I just meant in the primaries.

bigac
12-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Oh, I think he could beat Obama.

I just meant in the primaries.

I don't have enough confidence to think that he could beat Obama. Too many people have special interest in keeping Obama in office. If the right isn't enthusiastic about somebody, they simply aren't going to muster up enough people to put that jackass out of power.

Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Oh, I think he could beat Obama.

I just meant in the primaries.

Agree.. It's a weak field and he STILL hasn't pulled it out.

He's going to have to win this like he wins everything, by default.

GoGo
12-03-2011, 01:39 PM
There's a Fox News interview in florida posted here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1301527875001/

The interview is conducted by Brett Baier. The setting is a warehouse.


The other problem with his delivery is a bit like like porn.. It's easy to recognize, but difficult to describe... I was thinking about it when Mrs. Hoffa found the answer. It's his tone and the way he speaks.. Like he's addressing a child, or trying to calm an angry dog. There's no inflection. Srsly, can you imagine a rousing speech by Mitt? A real, Reagan style barn buster? Fat chance.. This guy can't do it. It was further suggested that he has the tone of a man who has recorded himself often, played back those recordings and practiced his delivery and sounding "reasonable" and "moderate" to such a point that he has trained all the passion out of the delivery.. I think this is very likely the case. Regardless, he's a shit speaker despite his eloquence and polish.




Yea, this is how I see him. Was glad to see this in your post. It almost reminds me of how Gore would address the people. I hated that shit, and always equated it as if he thought he were speaking to children, thinking to himself that -he is the way, the only enlightened one in the room.

bigac
12-03-2011, 01:40 PM
Yea, this is how I see him. Was glad to see this in your post. It almost reminds me of how Gore would address the people. I hated that shit, and always equated it as if he thought he were speaking to children, thinking to himself that -he is the way, the only enlightened one in the room.

That's how I speak to people, but I usually AM the only enlightened one in the room.

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 01:40 PM
I don't have enough confidence to think that he could beat Obama. Too many people have special interest in keeping Obama in office. If the right isn't enthusiastic about somebody, they simply aren't going to muster up enough people to put that jackass out of power.

Keep this between you and me, but if he gets nominated, I will fight tooth and nail to get him elected over Obama. Let's just hope that doesn't happen. I'm gonna keep telling Republicans that I'm not voting in the general unless they nominate Paul, but I don't really mean it.

Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 01:43 PM
Yea, this is how I see him. Was glad to see this in your post. It almost reminds me of how Gore would address the people. I hated that shit, and always equated it as if he thought he were speaking to children, thinking to himself that -he is the way, the only enlightened one in the room.

Oh yeah, Gore mastered the art of boring the fuck out of people.. In his case, I think he's just a stupid guy who looks down his nose at all of us... A guy who really does think of himself as superior. A stupid trying to drag an army of teh stupids along behind him.

With Romney, I really do think this guy has a different problem. I think he tries to be passionate. I can see it. I think he's practiced and practiced so damn much that he's trained that part of his delivery away. Leaving a lifeless, but technically correct and eloquent, speaker in his place.

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 01:44 PM
That's how I speak to people, but I usually AM the only enlightened one in the room.

At least we have DLP. It's nice to actually talk to guys that are almost as intelligent as I am for a change...

GoGo
12-03-2011, 01:57 PM
Oh yeah, Gore mastered the art of boring the fuck out of people.. In his case, I think he's just a stupid guy who looks down his nose at all of us... A guy who really does think of himself as superior. A stupid trying to drag an army of teh stupids along behind him.

With Romney, I really do think this guy has a different problem. I think he tries to be passionate. I can see it. I think he's practiced and practiced so damn much that he's trained that part of his delivery away. Leaving a lifeless, but technically correct and eloquent, speaker in his place.

Well put. Also, he takes himself way too serious, or it's that type of air that he puts off. IMO. I hate that about people.

Honestly, I don't want any candidate that takes them self too seriously. Obama put on that false bravado during election time, but we soon found out that was all fake.

Love or hate Bush, he was an off the cuff easy going guy, that people felt they could relate to. We weren't at all intimidated by that one. lol

Where are all the true Statesmen?

GoGo
12-03-2011, 01:57 PM
At least we have DLP. It's nice to actually talk to guys that are almost as intelligent as I am for a change...

Oh lawd!

*face palm*

:p

Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 01:59 PM
Where are all the true Statesmen?

My guess would be something like: Working their asses off to pay for all this stupidity..

GoGo
12-03-2011, 02:01 PM
My guess would be something like: Working their asses off to pay for all this stupidity..

Freakin' one percenters!!

Who the hell do they think they are? Working and shit.....

Jhoffa_X
12-03-2011, 02:02 PM
GD 1%ers!!!! *shakes fist*

:curse1:

bigac
12-03-2011, 02:53 PM
Keep this between you and me, but if he gets nominated, I will fight tooth and nail to get him elected over Obama. Let's just hope that doesn't happen. I'm gonna keep telling Republicans that I'm not voting in the general unless they nominate Paul, but I don't really mean it.

Lol

bigac
12-03-2011, 02:54 PM
At least we have DLP. It's nice to actually talk to guys that are almost as intelligent as I am for a change...

You're 2 for 2.

okpstman
12-03-2011, 03:20 PM
Mitt should kill himself. And he would...if he had a shred of dignity and self respect.

Mitt comes out early, with a 20% polling..........and sorta stays there.

Perry comes along, and instantly knocks mitt down..........(why? because repubs want anyone other than Mitt)

Perry disappoints.......and do the repubs look back to mitt? NOPE.......they look to cain (lulz nigger).

Cain's muh dik moments are brought to light........do the repubs look back to mitt? NOPE, they turn to Newt.

Face it...the repubs ONLY want Mitt....if it's Mitt vs obama........against ANYONE else.....they'll vote against Mitt.

How does mitt feel, knowing that he's only going to win, if he's the lesser of two evils.....and obama is the other evil? Knowing that the repubs would happily support almost anyone over him.

Kleinbok
12-03-2011, 03:21 PM
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HE'S A GOOD LITTLE BOT FOR THE STATUS QUO.

THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT'S NEEDED.

okpstman
12-03-2011, 03:24 PM
Hell, even the liberals are upset, because the repubs aren't embracing Mitt....who they call "a perfectly good candidate"

Kleinbok
12-03-2011, 03:27 PM
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HE'S THEIR GUY.

Kleinbok
12-03-2011, 03:28 PM
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THEY FIGURE THEY CAN "ADJUST" PERRY...

THEY'RE HORRIFIED BY CAIN....

AND THEY DON'T TRUST GINGRICH NOT TO ROCK THE BOAT.

okpstman
12-03-2011, 03:29 PM
No shit.

I mean when the libs say "ZOMG, what's wrong with (x)..!!??".......you KNOW the answer will be "A Lot".

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 05:28 PM
Oh lawd!

*face palm*

:p

Hahahahaha!!!!!

Jeshu
12-03-2011, 05:29 PM
You're 2 for 2.

*bows*